English translation of Satprem's video interview in French in 1981, filmed at his residence in Kotagiri, Nilgiris. Documentary film directed by David Montemurri
Back in the blue mountains with Sujata, Satprem's companion.
D: Sujata, you spent almost all your life near Mother.
Sujata: When I arrived, yes, I was 10, and it was with Sri Aurobindo by the way.
D: Was there something different?
Sujata: The whole atmosphere was completely different from what you have seen there.
D: I would like to know how it was.
Sujata: It was a more inner life, tranquil, as if eternity was there, you understand, we were carried by eternity. And above all, there was Mother's great love which was there enveloping everything, taking everything in. So we were so happy near Her, as if She was holding you, as if She was carrying you in Her arms. This, was...
D: There are moments in the Agenda where one feels that Mother has suffered terribly.
Sujata: Yes...
D: You were there.
Sujata: I was there. Mother suffered, but it was rather towards the end, around 1970 or 1971. But before, it was., I don't know, I really have a feeling that this suffering started in the 70's.
Sa: Yes, before there was always Her laughter, you see, which seemed to dominate the pain. From 1970 onwards, it became much more painful.
Su: Yes, how to say, the good elements which understood a little, who truly loved Her, seemed to be pushed aside from Her. Only were left the elements. I wouldn't say the adverse elements, but above all who didn't understand and, more and more, had enough of it. Then She was precipitated back in the pain, oh, the pain. of these little beings who cling so ferociously to this little person, who don't want to get out of it...Who don't want to get out of it...
They had enough, enough, you see, because at this frontier, so thin and so extraordinary, it's no more the little human power that you meet but it's that formidable energy which moves the worlds...When I was near Mother. but it was...I see how many years She prepared me, yes prepared me, but it was a torrent of such a formidable energy and at the same time so tranquil. Then, this energy is very unbearable for all beings. They feel it as a threat to their precious little carapace. Then, more and more, they had enough...She couldn't stay physically, they didn't want her anymore, you see, it was too unbearable.
But this experiment She was doing in her body, it's not an individual body locked up in a sack of skin, you see. it's our head which imagines it's locked up. But the body, the body consciousness is one, is the entire earth, is all the terrestrial matter. Then, when you understand things, you understand why the entire earth is like in a revolt! The entire earth is reaching this burning and dreadful threshold and that's what we see around us now. We are coming closer and closer to that threshold which is not death's door, which is only the death of the little ridiculous ego, locked up in its philosophies or its mysticisms or its transcendental yogism, well, all these things so human... But on the other side, there's something wonderful which is there, so close, at our doorstep, something miraculous about which nobody ever thought. Another state of being, incomprehensible, but which suddenly...yes, all of a sudden there will be a tear in this kind of mental human fish-bowl into which we are locked up with our mathematics and our religions and our ayatollahs and our popes and our Marxists.
All this is going to break, but not break into the bomb, not break into nothingness, but into reality, into the reality of the earth! A reality...which is light, which is...luminous, something which all of a sudden will make all these old mathematics and these old medicines and these old ghosts fall out of our hands and we will wonder: "but how? How? How could we have lived like that? How was it possible?" But one must reach, and we are reaching this burning threshold where the species will have to choose and not choose with its head, because that's the old world, not choose with its mathematics and its reason and its cartesianism, but choose with a cry from the heart, because that will be the only thing left.
We don't know the end of the story, we don't know, but I think that behind this threshold is preparing the miracle of the earth, something we can't imagine, because we can only imagine death, we can only imagine the bomb, we can only imagine all the horror that we see. But maybe, there's a prayer, of a body, into apparent death, in this formidable silence, a prayer which is bringing this entire body of the earth to its glorious threshold. What do we know about what's happening in this grey marble tomb, about this formidable silence...
Where is She? I can almost see Her, her eyes wide open, She works inside death, her cells, so conscious, pray inside death...And maybe, She had to reach that point, because one cannot cheat, you see, if the experiment had to reach that point, then they had to bury her. She had to be believed dead. This very body had to undergo death, if I can say so. It had to reach that point.
Will die or disappear, those who are simply some flesh with a suit and a bit of philosophy. Will die those who are not, but those who are, those who have a living heart, those ones will emerge one day, unexpectedly, into a new dawn.
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