Conversations with The Mother as recollected by Mona Sarkar
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Bonjour!
Bonjour, Douce Mère.
Is everything all right?
Yes, Mother. You had told me on my birthday about the Supreme…. But, Mother, for me You are the Supreme.
My child, that is saying the same thing in one way and in another…. What, you do not understand?
No, Mother.
Look here, in fact it is the same thing. There is no difference, if it is the Supreme who has chosen or it is I who have chosen. I prefer to say, it is the Supreme instead of me. You know, it is like this: in the terrestrial evolution, man, who is emerging out of the inconscience and ignorance, is guided by the Supreme. And the Supreme, in order to manifest His reign upon earth, labours to uplift the human consciousness so as to establish the Divine Consciousness; and for this He does not delegate someone but He Himself manifests physically, even in the Ignorance, to accomplish His work. And it is I who have been appointed to raise up man and the creation out of this Inconscience. It is I who am responsible. What I wish, the Lord also wishes. I am the Supreme in the Unmanifest. But in the creation the Supreme acts only through me, exists only by me and wills nothing but what I will. There is no distinction to be made. But for men, the Supreme is Someone beyond everything, in His transcendence, who cannot be attained, He who is above Ignorance and does not concern Himself with anything. For them, I would rather say that it is the Supreme who has done this or willed this. I do not want to meddle with their idea of the Supreme, because if I said that it is I who had done this or had wished so instead of the Supreme, then it would be like a disaster, a shock; people with their ego would not be able to accept that the Supreme could manifest in the Inconscience. It would seem to them a folly. It is for this reason that I avoid speaking of myself and I prefer to use the word ‘Supreme’. To me, it makes no difference, and moreover, people remain convinced that it is the Supreme who is guiding them.
But; Mother; for me You are the Supreme. I do not know anyone else but You as the Supreme.
It does not bother me, if one calls me the Supreme or not, it makes no difference to me. I know who I am. I do not crave for big names, like an egoist. What I know is that the work advances and what it is I am trying to prepare, and not what will add to or aggrandise my name so that men call me the Supreme. I wash my hands of all this. I do not need it. I am very happy like this. As long as men are convinced that it is the Supreme who has done this or that, that it is He who protects them and guides them, it is fine with me. I do not want to interfere in all this or to proclaim that it is I who have done it. For in reality it is the same thing. I do not want to force people — if it pleases them to state that it is the Supreme who acts and not me, what difference does it make to say it in one way or another?
For me it is like this. But for you it is different; I am the Supreme for you.
Yes, Mother.
It is He who in His Transcendence upholds the universe and is immanent in the creation, who resides in the smallest atom, One who is responsible for the terrestrial evolution and its manifestations, for lifting it up to the Light and Ananda. But I cannot proclaim to the people that I am the Supreme. People will not be able to accept it. ‘She as the Supreme! How can that be. It is not possible.’ For them, the Supreme is someone who is unimaginable. I do not know if, for them, He is without form or that which cannot be attained. They will go mad if they think in this way. The ego will not be able to accept it. That is why I prefer to say that it is the Supreme who wished thus and never pronounce that it is I who have so wished or I who have chosen. I tell you, it is by choice that I choose to remain behind the veil. Do you understand? Have you understood well?
Well, you know, I will tell you something. In those days, when I used to give special Blessings for the Pujas — Durga, Mahasaraswati, etc. at that time, Durga and the others used to come to me; besides, they used to meet me from time to time. They came by turns and even now they come for some work or the other. And I do not know if it was last year or the year before — moreover, time has no importance for me; in fact, there is not much difference, since I have stopped giving Blessings for the Pujas — anyway, it was close to the Pujas, and as usual Durga came to me. She was so beautiful and formidable, like all the other children, but it was an entity which possesses the cosmic force. And I told her: “Shall there be no end to these little entities and is it not time to turn towards the Supreme, leaving behind the little personal egos?”
Then you know what happened? Something marvellous and unexpected: in a humble gesture full of gratefulness she abandoned everything to the Supreme in such a joyous and spontaneous atmosphere which cannot be expressed in words but has to be lived to be seen. And She told me: “Yes, I am Thine completely, what Thou wiliest, I shall do. I give myself to You.” And she prostrated herself at my feet. It was a complete surrender. There was no hesitation. It was so beautiful. It is since then that I have stopped the Blessings for the Pujas. Because it is no longer necessary. It is over, once and for all, …oh! in such a fine act, such a charming gesture!
It is only to the Lord that we send our adoration and gratitude. The Supreme alone and nothing else! That chapter is over, the reign of the cosmic gods. Now only the Supreme exists for us. Nothing else.
And then there was another meeting earlier, that was a long time back. It was when I used to visit the Playground. One day Durga had come, and I asked her a similar question: “How long do you want allegiance from the people? Isn’t it time we adored the Supreme?” Then She told me gently: “I do want to; I am Thine, but you see, the people cling to me and do not want to leave me.” They are all like that (gesture), — that which goes to aggrandise their egos, that which still wants to follow the past, and the little bit which satisfies them — that they will never abandon, even for the Supreme. It is man who does not want to change, because he does not want to lose his possessions and his ego. It is man who creates the distinction. You see, truly She wanted to work for me in an act of surrender but She was completely tied up by the people who adored Her and sent their prayers for their personal gains and nothing more. Men do not want to give up, as they do not want to lose their support and their ego’s satisfaction. They cling and obstruct the way.
But from this beautiful experience something emerged. I could get some work done in collaboration with Her. It was the New Year prayer which I had written, the prayer that Nature will collaborate…[1] and so on. You know it?
Yes, yes, Mother.
It was in this way that slowly She could abandon Herself completely, and now we have no need of these Pujas; She has become one with the Supreme. And it is the Supreme alone whom we adore. Now She has entered into me. You understand?
But there is still the resistance in other countries and in the religious entities which I am trying to transform. But here it is finished. But no one will understand what it means exactly. They will twist and deform it because it is beyond their conceptions. They cannot imagine such an event, that the gods could surrender to me. It is something unimaginable for them…. It is all right. My child, for you I am still the Supreme.
(A portion of a longer conversation)
…Ah! You do not know what a favour I am doing to you all.
…You have no idea that the whole world, the entire universe bows down to me, imploring me in an act of adoration to serve me. You do not know who I am, who has descended in the ignorance among you, who has consented to be human, to take up a physical body among you all. You have no idea of who is there before you. Well, even the gods whom you revere so much, perform tapasya in order to have a glimpse of me. It is for me and through me that the whole Universe exists and it vibrates in my consciousness. It is through me that all living beings and inanimate things and all that you see in the Manifestation, acts and progresses. There is nothing that is not within me. I am the Cause. It is in me that all things disappear. Everything, everything is expressed in me and aspires to take refuge in me. Those who know me a little give their entire lives to find me.
…I am above the whole Manifestation.
What do you want to tell me? I do not understand. You want to see me in all my luminosity? It is not possible to see in a day. It takes time and each day of our life we learn something, we advance one step. The hundred years of your life you will learn something each day. Little by little, one progresses each day, little by little, little by little, little by little. It is not done in a day, like a thunderbolt. It takes time. Not like this, Baam! and one has everything. It is not possible. Each thing has a method and a course of development and follows its path. One cannot have the Supreme in a day. A long preparation is necessary. It does not happen in a day as you think. Each day one makes a little progress. Wait and you will know later why it is so.
But Mother, by Your descent the things will be done in a flash. I have read that You help the creation to advance by formidable leaps.
Things can descend like a thunderbolt. Yes, my presence helps to advance the process. I hasten the descent but it does not mean that all this will be done in a day. It is not possible that overnight all this is transformed, supramentalised by a miracle. It is not possible. Because of me the things are done a bit faster. I only give an impetus, but it is He who does all, I help a little in His work. It is because of me that the New World is born. I have compressed the work of many centuries. I help a bit. I also follow a determined curve. I can hasten the descent following the curve. But I cannot jump to the highest consciousness to bring it down on earth. It is not possible because the earth is not ready. And if it descends, then it will crush everything by its pressure. It is so formidable. That is why I prepare the base here below and bring down what is necessary, not more. Even this, the earth cannot contain.
(In the beginning the Mother refers to someone who had asked Her permission to go abroad for his studies.) I said, ‘Yes’; if he wants to see the world and have this experience, I say, yes, let him try, if he is so eager to go to America. You know, there is an appropriate quotation of Sri Aurobindo on this subject. If I find it, I will pass it on. It is exactly the answer for persons of this temperament. Only I do not remember, but if I find it I will copy it for him. It begins like this: ‘The way is long and arduous’… it does not mean that you should abandon the difficulties to find an easy way. And then you lose time and also the opportune moment. It is as if for arriving at the goal there is a route which is absolutely straight but difficult; that is what we are following or Sri Aurobindo has shown us. And there is another one which takes a roundabout way to arrive at the goal, like this, like this, like this (gesture) to arrive at the goal, and it takes thousands of years. And people think that it is indispensable to see the world and take these detours in order to have the experience. It is not true, it is only to satisfy their ego and their ambition that they prefer this road which in fact takes thousands and thousands of lives to reach the goal. Whereas ours takes one, two, five or six lives to reach the goal. It depends on the people and their aspiration. Anyway, it is a straight path which leads to the goal without any diversions. But if someone chooses and prefers the other path, I do not say anything. I wait for the day when they will realise through various circumstances the folly they had committed. This also is a way of learning.
(The Mother looks at a box of pencils on Her table) Do you want a pencil? I have just received a lot of pencils. Do you want one to write with?
Mother; not this one; but a sharpened pencil.
I give you one that is not sharpened.
If you give me, give me one that is sharpened, and also write something with it.
A sketch done by the Mother showing the two paths. The ‘D’ at the bottom stands for départ meaning the ‘Start’, and the ‘A’ on top stands for arrivé, meaning the ‘Finish’.
Oh, is that what you want? Then I choose a blue pencil for you…. What shall I write for you?
Whatever you like; Mother.
Wait, I shall do a drawing of the path to traverse… what I spoke to you now. This is the Goal and this is the path straight towards the Goal. And this is the other path which meanders and finally one arrives at the Goal. (Mother makes a sketch) Look here, I shall do this, the straight road, with red ink. This is the Start and there, is the Finish, all right?
No, Mother. Put your signature here. First, write “The Supreme” and then below, put your signature.
(Mother laughs) You are clever. What do I write?
“The Supreme”.
Shall I write, “On behalf of the Supreme”?
But I cannot. I cannot. No one will accept me as the Supreme. No one.
But for me You are the Supreme.
Yes, but it is not possible that I write it. No, I cannot. People will say, “Who is this autocrat who has come to announce the descent of the Supreme on earth?” Me as the Supreme! It is absurd, a sacrilege, it will be defying all their wisdom. “What, the Mother as the Supreme? It is unimaginable?”…. They will not spare me if I announce myself as the Supreme. No, no, my child, this I cannot…
All this I do not know, Mother. For me You are the Supreme. That is why…
(Mother smiles and then writes) “The Supreme”… and I sign here below?
(Mother puts her signature) Is this all right like this? (Mother smiles)
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